I cant think of any step forward where it is suggested it comes off a flat foot. Not even a step to the side.
Concerning Projection of the body. Untill it is over a point of the floor ahead of the standing foot. You wrote.
Does that mean you are no longer standing up straight. That is very difficult to do unless your knee is straight. You did say the knee is flexed. Is your knee flexed or is it straight as you fall forward. Very hard to do off a knee that now bent.
Putting all jokes aside. The way you have described in your writting is as old fashioned and as old as the hills. My parents were taught that way. the male had ungiving legs that were so straight they could be called stilted. This was the way it was done and consquently this is how it was taught. It very likely goes hand in glove with the lady standing too square and not being the slightest bit offset. This is of course all about Foxtrot. They were still very good at what they did but compared to today the way the style of dancing has altered they would have difficulty getting out of the morning session 9.30am at Blackpool. Ladies have always been more flexible in the legs than men, possibly because they have to be going backwards most of the time.
If your teacher or your teachers teacher are well into middle aged and have not had a lesson in the last 15 years or so. Well what can we say.

" cant think of any step forward where it is suggested it comes off a flat foot."

That's because you DO NOT THINK.

Two obvious examples:

- Any forward step following a prep step.

- Any forward step following a TH step.

In short, any forward step following a step in which the footwork ends with heel, rather than with toe.

When a step's footwork ends with heel rather than toe, it means that the heel must remain on the floor well into the following step. Not quite to the point where the next step is placed, but the heel will stay down well after the feet pass.

"Not even a step to the side."

Yes, those actions are usually toe/ball to toe/ball.

"Concerning Projection of the body. Untill it is over a point of the floor ahead of the standing foot. You wrote.
Does that mean you are no longer standing up straight."

Absolutely not! you would remain upright, but you are upright over a point on the floor in front of your standing foot.

"That is very difficult to do unless your knee is straight. You did say the knee is flexed. Is your knee flexed or is it straight as you fall forward. Very hard to do off a knee that now bent."

Actually it is BENDING THE KNEE THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE. The only part of the body "tilted" is the shin. From the knee up you are VERTICAL.

"Putting all jokes aside. The way you have described in your writting is as old fashioned and as old as the hills."

You haven't been paying any attention to the way I was taught. No matter how many times I point out that THE KNEE IS BENT, you somehow believe I said it was straight!

"My parents were taught that way. the male had ungiving legs that were so straight they could be called stilted."

See what I mean? I write BENT and you somehow see "straight" in its place!

"This was the way it was done and consquently this is how it was taught."

Yes, that's approximately the way they used to dance. And that's the type of dancing for which the books foot rise timing was written. When you change to bending the knees a lot more as we do today, the TIMING OF THE FOOT RISE MUST ALTER.

As it is pointed out in the technique book. It is taken for granted that a Heel will always become a toe. In the book it says it is assumed but not mentioned. Your supposed to know that.
How many times do they have to tell you that the heel starts to rise as the moving foot passes. The exact words are as the moving foot passes the toe of the standing foot.
The ball of the moving footwill be touching the floor and then it becomes a heel.
Going backwards the heel becomes a ball and then a toe and again a ball. The heel of the supporting foot will not lower intill the moving foot is under the body.
Unless it is written I would never try to tell a person anything that is not in the book regarding technique. You have absolutely no right to push what you have been taught onto others. Just stick to that book, or books and you wont be far wrong. do as I do , quote facts not fiction.

"As it is pointed out in the technique book. It is taken for granted that a Heel will always become a toe. In the book it says it is assumed but not mentioned. Your supposed to know that. How many times do they have to tell you that the heel starts to rise as the moving foot passes. The exact words are as the moving foot passes the toe of the standing foot."

You are WRONG, because you are missing a critically important detail.

What the book actually teaches is that a heel will eventually become a toe, but when it does so only AFTER the other foot has passed, which is to say after the end of hte step, the fact that it becomes a toe is assumed and not mentioned.

In contrast, when it does explicitly mention the heel becoming a toe, it is because that is supposed to happen at or before the end of a step.

So we have two different possibilities:

1) steps where the toe is mentioned and reached at or before the end of the step.

2) steps where the toe is not mentioned, and reached - that is to say the heel rises - only AFTER the end of the step.

"Going backwards the heel becomes a ball and then a toe and again a ball. The heel of the supporting foot will not lower intill the moving foot is under the body."

Depends on the step. In most outside partner cases, it must lower before the feet even close! Watch Jonathan's feather and quickstep videos for an example of why this is so critically important to creating smooth movement.

"Unless it is written I would never try to tell a person anything that is not in the book regarding technique."

Then you'll never be much of a teacher, will you.

To teach someone how to dance like Alex Moore recommended, you are going to have to expand a lot upon what is in the book, because the book - if interpreted over literally - is not sufficient to actually create that dancing. You have to be able to see the big picture and then fill in all the details necessary to create it.

"You have absolutely no right to push what you have been taught onto others."

Push, no. But I have a DUTY to correct your outrageously incompetent recommendations when you make them. When I say something, it's based on what I've learned dancing with and discussing these topics in private lessons with the leading ballroom teachers alive on this planet today. When you say something, it's based on your misunderstanding of an introductory textbook. You can't be bothered to take your questions to a real teacher whose authority compares to that text...

"Just stick to that book, or books and you wont be far wrong. do as I do , quote facts not fiction."

Oh please, you quote far more fiction than fact!

As usual instead of coming straight to the point. far to much writting, At the extent of the stride the foot will lower immediatly. That means the foot will become flat on the floor. The moving leg will move to a position under the body and as the heel passes the toe of the standing foot the heel of the standing foot will begin to raise
If that is what you meant why don't you write as clear and to the point as is the above.

"As usual instead of coming straight to the point. far to much writting, At the extent of the stride the foot will lower immediatly. That means the foot will become flat on the floor. The moving leg will move to a position under the body and as the heel passes the toe of the standing foot the heel of the standing foot will begin to raise"

ONLY FOR SOME STEPS.

If the given footwork is HEEL-TOE then what you say is approximatley correct.

But if the given footwork is HEEL (only), or if the step was TOE-HEEL, then THE HEEL MUST STAY DOWN WELL BEYOND THE PASSING OF THE FEET!

These are two different actions, and you cannot claim to understand book footwork until you recognize the difference between them!

HT and H are TWO DIFFERENT FOOTWORKS

At this moment flicking through the pages on the description of the footwok I haven't found one that is not down as H.T. except in the Tango.

"At this moment flicking through the pages on the description of the footwok I haven't found one that is not down as H.T. except in the Tango."

Look at the one preceding the three step. Also the RF step given as a common precede for the rumba cross.

And don't forget the action by which you will depart the ubiquitous forward TH steps - which are after all a much more common case than the heel-only step.

At a guess and knowing that they were not stupid. I would say the step preceading the Three Step might not become a Three Step. It might be a Change of Direction. I can understand also a Rumba Cross being a H. The one I do starts the Rumba Cross with the left foot on a Heel coming from a TH.

"At a guess and knowing that they were not stupid. I would say the step preceading the Three Step might not become a Three Step."

Of course not. But if it does become the step preceding a three step, this first heel lead is Heel (only) with no rise, while the second heel lead - the one document in the three step itself, is Heel-toe, with rise.

Or look at a chasse in waltz or quickstep. Last step is given Heel (only), outside partner in CBMP. Quite often this would also become the first step of a natural turn, in which case the fact that it's the first step of a natural turn with rise changes the footwork to HT, while the fact that it's also the last step of the chasse keeps the action outside partner in CBMP. On the other hand, we could dance a double reverse spin or a quick open reverse instead. In those cases, the last step of the chasse would be only the last step of the chasse and performed as written - Heel (only). It would then be followed by the first step of the DRS or QOR, danced HT.

So you see, there are heel leads that don't rise, are coded (Heel) only, and see the heel come up late - and would ordinarily be followed by a second heel lead. And then there are the more common heel leads which are coded HT, do rise in at least some respects, and see the heel come up early.

And finally, there's what's documented in the book for the walking EXERCISE, which is somewhat in between, with the heel rising exactly as the feet pass.