one more question to come out of this - why isnt the ftwk TH for the lady step 2 of the curved 3 ?

"one more question to come out of this - why isnt the ftwk TH for the lady step 2 of the curved 3 ?"

Because actual foot rise is used to redirect the energy into a curve.

Most swing-dance figures feature a straight line of movement from the preceding step three, through steps one and two of the new figures. At the top of the rise on step 2 (foxtrot) or step 3 (waltz) we then pick a new direction to lower in.

But we can use the same idea of rise to curve the path of movement before step three. By placing step two slightly wide of the path of our movement and rising on it, we generate a slight imbalance which means gravity will deflecting our travel towards the center of the curve we wish to create. This lets us both execute an elegant brush-along-the curve action as our inside of turn foot passes our outside of turn foot on its way from step 1 to step 3.

Posture Re-Visited. If you had attended a lecture given by Andrew Sinkinson last Monday you would have had to do a Basic Quickstep with the man's right hand behind his back and the ladies left hand behind the back. The body contact point was right nipple to right nipple. Try to do that leaning backwards, not possible.Back to the drawing board . The contact that used to be is no longer being taught. Below the rib cages the body is completely clear.

To Whome. There is Foot Rise on step four for the man on a Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot. Their is also a rule to be observed which is on this particular step, and that is, any step to the side comes from a toe to a toe. That!s why it is down in the book as THT. Falure to do this makes it a very awkward step for the lady on her step five.

"To Whome. There is Foot Rise on step four for the man on a Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot. Their is also a rule to be observed which is on this particular step, and that is, any step to the side comes from a toe to a toe. That!s why it is down in the book as THT."

Your theory is contradicted by the evidence.

If your reasoning were accurate, it would have to apply to what the lady does in the quick open reverse, but it does not. Her step there is TH, NFR.

The actual rule is that a side step departs from toe and arrives on toe, but that does not mean that there must be foot rise (only the toe in contact with the floor) when the next step is placed, it merely means that the actual departure of the old foot is from the toe.

The toe to toe rule is compatible with both TH (NFR) and with THT (foot rise). The difference is in when the heel leaves the floor - before or after the other foot is placed. After for most inside of turn actions, before in order to generate the particular character of the man's dominant role in the feather finish.

Anonymous. You have a complete
misunderstanding on how to read this particular step from the book.Look at it this way as explained on page 18 of the Technique Book. " It says a Forward Walk on the RF and then on the LF would be described as Heel Heel. The fact that the whole of the RF lowers to the floor immediately is assumed but not mentioned ".
On every heel lead the heel will leave the floor. If it didn't you would be stationary. So when the heel leaves the floor it is important to know at exactly what time this happens. On the Reverse Turn step 4 for the man it is before the next step 5 is taken. Which gives us a THT

"Their is also a rule to be observed which is on this particular step, and that is, any step to the side comes from a toe to a toe. That!s why it is down in the book as THT"

No, I understand that perfectly well. The problem is that you failed to understand the issue raised in the post you responded to - you failed to look up the quick open reverse and note the precise similarities and differences between that and the feather finish.

"On the Reverse Turn step 4 for the man it is before the next step 5 is taken. Which gives us a THT"

Yes, but your theory ("Their is also a rule to be observed which is on this particular step, and that is, any step to the side comes from a toe to a toe. That!s why it is down in the book as THT") for why this happens is flawed, because your theory also predicts that this should happen for the lady on quick open reverse, and it does not happen there.

To be accurate, your theory of why the man's action should be THT on the inside of the feather finish needs to not imply that the lady's action on the inside of the quick open reverse should also be. It needs to recognize that in that case the footwork is instead TH, NFR - in other words, the heel rising only AFTER the the next step is placed, not BEFORE as in the case of the feather finish.

Anonymouse. First by Quick Open Reverse do you mean in the Foxtrot it is the one where the lady does not do a heel Turn but allows the feet to pass.
To get back to the Ladies step on step one of a Natural in the Waltz . The heel does not raise untill after the second step is taken. That is not my theory, that is what the book says. If i were to raise my heel before or as i take step two that is not NFR. If it were it would be in the book THT which it is not. Dont be mislead by the term body rise. It means exactly what it says.

"Anonymouse. First by Quick Open Reverse do you mean in the Foxtrot it is the one where the lady does not do a heel Turn but allows the feet to pass."

The subject is the difference between the man's foot work on the inside of the feather finish vs the lady's action on the inside of the quick open reverse.

Any proposed technical rule would have to be compatible with the existence of this difference.

Your explanation of why the man has foot rise (and thus THT instead of TH) would also require that the lady have it when she has a sequence of steps comparable in the aspects you mentioned, on the inside of the quick open reverse.

Since she does not, your explanation is flawed.

Or were you not actually trying to offer an explanation of why the man has foot rise? Perhaps you were not.

I don!t know why you guys don!t go to Learn The Dances. Then the Natural Turn in the Waltz. You all know how to freeeze frame and move it. Just see where the lady is facing on the first step and where she is facing as the second step is taken to the side. In case you dont know she is backing Diag to wall at the start, and then is facing Diag to centre as her foot is placed to the side.. Go and have a look.