I've puposely avoided this topic because of the obvious disagreement there is amongst instructors and professionals as well as the judges themselves. In my teachings when I begin to tell my students about the rise and fall technique and the heel, toe, ball, up, down, blah,blah,blah, they look at me as if I am speaking in a foreign language at times. When I see this occuring and after much discussion and slowing down of their dance to accomplish what we speak about, only to have them look as if they are robots, I simply tell them to take a larger stride and as a result, the body cannot help but lower and then rise again to take another stride. Once they see that the discussion pretty much ends. Discussion with judges/pros reveals too that they are critical of other judges/pros as to their ability to rise and fall "Properly". Where does it end? Just get out there and get on with it. Let the chips fall as they may. Owen