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Re: There is a 1/4 left turn in progressive chasse
Posted by ylchen-1
7/28/2005  9:14:00 PM
Thanks! John. Yes, It helped . In man point of view, this 1/4 left turn does not influence the moving way towards the right direction. I did limit my mind before your explanation. Furthermore it is possible traveling a LONG WAY to the "RIGHT" with high level technique.



I used unclear word, tip, the proper one should be " hint" here. I hope I am able to master Englihs like all of you in my life ahead which makes communication more effective.

Tell you a good news, I started learning more advanced technique ( I called it fine work .)in my known limited figures . It was rare , my coach lead me to center on just one to two steps 7-8 TIMES until both of us were satisfied. It touched me so.
Re: There is a 1/4 left turn in progressive chasse
Posted by Don
7/27/2005  9:22:00 PM
Yichin1. You've Lost me here . Unless you are mistakenly refering to the man's steps. The man's Progressive Chasse usually starts backing diagonal to the centre. The reason for the quarter turn to the left is because the man has just completed a quarter of a turn to his right on the previous steps.You did say the ladies steps. I think you might have things slightly back to front. We are now on line for a lockstep. Man stepping out side parner in CBMP. diagonal to wall. So ladies you must also have and understand CBMP.
Re: There is a 1/4 left turn in progressive chasse
Posted by Anonymous
7/25/2005  5:49:00 AM
Going (to the man's) left in a chasse is the ordinary direction so the direction doesn't have to be mentioned.

And actually the quarter turn to left is still danced - I use it quite frequently after a spin turn, in place of the 456 waltz reverse which is not legal in quickstep, if I then want to go into a Double Reverse or something.

Re: There is a 1/4 left turn in progressive chasse
Posted by Don
7/25/2005  11:38:00 PM
Anonymous. I can see where you are at. It is a good idea to have this in your bag of tricks. I found it is taught more in narrow studios than a large wide one for obvious reasons. The step you refer to has two steps and is called in the book a Heel Pivot, this keeps you in line with your partner. The lady though will do forward side together which is vey much like a waltz step for her. You are right in so much as it would be wrong when taking an examination or a medal for the man to just bring the feet together, back side together. But I will point out that in a competition these days you can do whatever you like as long as it looks good.
Re: There is a 1/4 left turn in progressive chasse
Posted by John
7/26/2005  10:29:00 AM
It is not true to say that you can do any thing you want in competition as long as it looks good. This is a broad statement. Yes, this may happen in competitions run by clubs,dance school of low standards,but in international sportdancing the rules are strict and what you can dance depends at what leval you dance in. In major competitions there is a judge just to verify that this does not happen and when it does there are penalities. This is not pro-am,I can't say what happens in pro-am
Re: There is a 1/4 left turn in progressive chasse
Posted by Don
7/27/2005  9:54:00 PM
John. I should have mentioned that I was talking about for instance the Grand Professional Final of the British.
You are obviously refering to restrictive grade dancing. Which is a good thing. I wonder what your judges would do if they saw a couple perfoming a Wave in Foxtrot which moved half way around the hall with the lady in line the whole time. And to get on to Latin .In my book in the Rumba there is no New York. This one we see all of the time.
Re: There is a 1/4 left turn in progressive chasse
Posted by Anonymous
7/27/2005  9:59:00 PM
You must have an outdated book. The New York is figure #3 in the current ISTD student-teacher section.
Re: There is a 1/4 left turn in progressive chasse
Posted by cdroge
7/28/2005  8:04:00 AM
John. I don't know what the new york has to do with the quickstep, but your alinement for the chasse is for the basic chasse to the left. Yithchen is asking about the chasse to the right. A novice rutine in the quickstep that would cover the long side of a competition floor may start with a spin in the turn corner followed by (chasse to the left.diagonal to center)(quick open reverse)(double reverse spin)(chasse to the right along the line of dance)(back lock and running finish)ending with a (spin turn in the corner) we would replace the spin turn for a rhumba cross. As for the reverse wave, One of our routines in the foxtrot for the long side is (feather diagonal to center (fallaway slip pivot. down the line of dance)(double reverse turn)(curving three step)(REVERSE WAVE)(pivot in the corner into(rudolf falloway)(slip pivot into open telemark ending to face the new line of dance. This would cover the long side of a normal international competition at the pre-championship leval. We dance at the senior championship leval.
Re: There is a 1/4 left turn in progressive chasse
Posted by ylchen-1
7/26/2005  11:56:00 PM
Sorry, Don. This is an only one book I have, called the Technique of Ballroom Dancing (author: Guy Howard ( first published in 1976, the new addition was 2002 )
Some statements from it confused me . So I dug it out to quest because of that
I am not sure of what is it a misprinted or my misunderstanding.
My coach refused to discuss with me.
My coach mentioned rare about the allignment or figure we are dancing .( Most of them have such strategy .) Initially, he told me what I am learning what you are following . I noted no educating plan for me there .The condition of skip grades made a lot of problems provened. I had ever asked him : Can we select the basic knowledge such as how to know we are standing vertically, how to correct it immediately,what timing relationship between the body and foot moving , how to get coordinate of feet , the lower part and upper part , what is the rule of lady head in dancing, how to get a perfact position of head , how to transfer weight smoothly ? He smiled or kept silent or touched it lightly. Sometimes I said, your dance too complicated to follow when I had no idea what it is or how to dance . I believed your teacher must show you step by step if he/ she knew you were not familiar with it. I am a beginner , I want to learn the basic steps . He said, I forgot them. They wasted energy too much. I am your teacher not your partner, I only teach you technique . You should find them by yourself. In fact , I had to stop my tear in such condition. I told myself : that is life. Don't give up.
Interestingly, there were a couple,
who had danced for years via selves teaching usually ,prepared a set pattern of waltz copying from some DVD . wanted to study with my coach on last Saturday when I had lesson with him. I said , no metter, I am so glad you have new student .I found his attitude was much more positive. They got what they wanted but lacked of the knowledge of base.
What ever will be? if the student is just a beginner who love dancing ?
Fortunately, I ,finally ,found other learning sources. such as this valuable website, watching and talking to the people dancing ,some DVDs of Marcus, Mirco, Luca, and the mentioned book, which opens my mind, answers my questions, tell me the base to dance correctly . enable me to keep going on this long long journey.
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