"Suomynona.You wrote. I do not consider that as a high enough to create authority. Your forgetting one thing and that is these people are having lessons with the people that do the judging at Blackpool and they are so severe. You go to them for lessons pay a fair bit of money. You get the best teaching that you could possibly get anywhere."

No, to get the best teaching you have to go to their teachers. Have you ever played the children's game "telephone" in which is a message is whispered from one person to another, and another, until it is garbled into nonsense? If you have a chance to study with both a master teacher and one of their best students, you can see how much this is true of dance technique through only a single generation - there will be many areas where what the student says reflects an incomplete understanding of what the teacher is suggesting, even when the 'student' is the incumbent world champion.

"Samba as we know is the hardest of all the dances to do, or do we know. It's much harder than any of the Standard dances."

This apple tastes so much better than any orange!

Quickstep,you talk such nonsensence. I have just danced with my wife ,we have been competing for 25yrs so I don't need you to tell me what I know. On the forth step of the waltz NST the Lady swings under the man and up on the end of four,her body swing and with the mans turning body will drift her higher onto her LF to dance her brush with her RF,how much she turnes will depend on what the man intends to dance next. 456 of reverse or back lock etc,and also whether it's danced around a corner or DW. Read what you write and don't underestimate other peoples knowledge. If you wan't the full explanation of the Lady's BODY MOVEMENTS ask RHA

"On the forth step of the waltz NST the Lady swings under the man and up on the end of four,her body swing and with the mans turning body will drift her higher onto her LF to dance her brush with her RF"

Dave, although there is a degree of swing on step 4, it is very shallow, much shallower than the usual commence to rise e/o 1 (or 4) type of waltz action. As such, by the end of step 4 (foot passing) she is probably no higher than ordinary standing height, if even that. The real rise comes only with step 5.

You may not be dancing it that way of course, but that is how it is supposed to be done - remember you should be taking a heel lead on step 5 yourself, and you hardly want her to be well on her way up at a point where you must still be down in your feet.

Yes,she rises to normal height on step four but her swing is strong and continues into step five with no further effort on her part. On step five the man should only use the power from step four ,the pivot(LF) to rise using the ball of the RF only to turn and not to pop.

Did I hear someone call . I've been following this from the sidelines and it's gotten really messy.

I disagree (Quickstep's view) that there is a pivot on step 4 for the man or the lady. I mean that we do not pivot as the weight arrives over the foot on step 4.

I also disagree (Suomynona's view) that the bulk of the turn that should take place in the pivot takes place as the weight arrives on step 5.

These are two opposing extremes.

What we do have is a strong progressive rotation taking place between steps 4 and 5 that feels like a pivot that travels.

So the way to dance the Spin Turn is to prepare for a strong rotation on step 4 and without actually pivoting and then rotate strongly with progression between step 4 and step 5.

The swing technique used in competative ballroom makes nonsense of discussing the concept of 'how much turn' from measuring the turn of any particular part in isolation at a particular point. It gets a little messy when discussing 'how much turn' by the feet or the body or the head for that matter. And this is particularly the case in the Natural Spin Turn.

Rha

"The swing technique used in competative ballroom makes nonsense of discussing the concept of 'how much turn' from measuring the turn of any particular part in isolation at a particular point. It gets a little messy when discussing 'how much turn' by the feet or the body or the head for that matter. And this is particularly the case in the Natural Spin Turn."

There is a lot of importance to getting the sequence in which various body parts execute the turn right - errors in this are quite common. Even in situations where the amount of turn is variable, the sequence of it's execution is not.

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Hey guys my name is Ekaterina ,bt u can called me Kate!So i am Russian!Does any one live in New Zealand?

i'm from melbourne kate.
i hear russians are very good at Ballroom. whats your story kate.
would like to know more about you.
happy dancing

guys. i dont understand how the dicsussion in on spin turn.
i still havent got a satisfiying answer from your end on my original post..

wheres jonathan..knock knock...