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re: No Foot Rise
Posted by Don
12/10/2003  8:51:00 PM
Continuing with the NFR discusion. I was always told that the person on the inside of the turn does not swing. In other words no two people should swing at the same time. It is interesting
that I read an article in a uk dance magazine by a leading lady professional, that even though Victor Sylvester introduced the closing of the feet on the third beat of the Modern Waltz in the 20's. There are still arguments on how it should be performed today .A lecture I attended, given by one of those high profiles said "That if you have a child on a swing. At the bottom of the arc there is still a point on the upward swing where you are still in control to give that final push. This is that illusive spot that needs to be found". I understood it to mean, that there is a flexing of the knee to continue with the swing, which most of us know nothing about, and only occasionally do by accident.In other words there is another action there from the neutral postion with the weight fully on the right foot. What we don't need at that point is the lady taking of without us.The other way around of course when the man is on the inside.
re: No Foot Rise
Posted by Don
12/7/2003  7:32:00 PM
To Rha See if you can find a video of a top competitor performing the wave. Watch what appears to be a slight pause by the man as the lady steps in line then outside her parner. That is staying on the standing foot,( no NFR, longer). Try to see if the man is moving with the lady on that step or is not. There is of course a strong shoulder lead by both. Left for lady, right for man. Having found out what is the correct use of NFR. don't forget it is in Waltz, Foxtrot as well as the Quickstep.
re: No Foot Rise
Posted by SocialDancer
12/1/2003  2:19:00 PM
I wouldn't link the term No Foot Rise with the action you describe, although in dancing most actions have some effect on others.

NFR occurs when stepping back with toe-heel footwork and just emphasises the fact that with the heel in contact with the floor there can be no rise in the foot, though there can and should be a rise felt in the legs and body.

Remember the rise in waltz should be gradual. If the lady kept here heel off the floor and used foot rise on step one she would be rising too much and too soon to match the man.

It is very easy for either partner to rush the second and third steps when on the inside of a turn. A controlled transfer of weight as you describe helps to avoid this, but this is not dependant on use of NFR.
re: No Foot Rise
Posted by Rha
12/2/2003  1:58:00 AM
Missed my conclusion:

Hence NFR for the person dancing backwards.
re: No Foot Rise
Posted by Rha
12/8/2003  5:36:00 AM
Don,

Foot-rise (particularly when used by the lady dancing backwards) has a blocking, jamming effect on the person using body-swing, when dancing forward. Yes, the person using FR when dancing backward would not be able to control the subsequent compression and stay "long" on the supporting foot because the person dancing forward would force an uncontrolled lowering. So, NFR contributes to staying long on the support foot because it contributes to togetherness and "control" in the partnership for the reasons I listed but it does not embody the entire concept of staying "long" on the supporting foot as your view seems to imply. SocialDancer also makes this point and I'm in agreement with it.

Staying "long" on the supporting foot is not fully expressed by the observation of getting to the heel "early" and any perceived "pausing" not because I refute that this is what is actually happening with that particular foot when observed in isolation but because "staying long" is a much broader concept than that. Staying "long" on the supporting foot is also a mere observation (perceptually or otherwise). Therefore it must not be a conscious goal or dancing intent in itself. However it manifests itself through a combination of the use of body-swing, controlled weight collection (elements of NFR) and the usage of the supporting leg in "anchoring" and powering the swing to produce a far more "pleasing" musicality.

It is possible to dance with NFR correctly and still not get this concept of "staying long on the supporting foot".
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