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Mambo or Salsa?
Posted by Iluv2Dance
12/20/2004  9:32:00 AM
Merry Christmas everyone. I was asked recently, 'Is the Salsa just Mambo figures with more arm actions? Any comments would be appreciated.
Re: Mambo or Salsa?
Posted by Ralph
12/20/2004  10:20:00 AM
I was taught that the salsa is just "a sloppy mambo." That is, while salsa's timing is Q-Q-S, the mambo's is three Q's and a hold.
Re: Mambo or Salsa?
Posted by Iluv2Dance
12/20/2004  10:51:00 AM
Great Ralph. Well that's a start!
Re: Mambo or Salsa?
Posted by mamboqueen
12/20/2004  7:18:00 PM
Most salsa dancers will start on the 1, vs. the 2 in mambo. Also, the music tends to be a bit faster for salsa. You can interchange moves between the 2.
Re: Mambo or Salsa?
Posted by Waltz123
12/21/2004  12:52:00 AM
Salsa is much more than just a "sloppy Mambo". To simply take your Mambo and loosen it up is not going to make Salsa, any more than taking classical music and making it sloppy word turn it into jazz. Salsa has a feel and a technique all its own.

For starters, as Mambo Queen mentioned, Salsa typically breaks on 1, or sometimes 3. Some people even shift between breaking on 1 and 3 throughout a dance. But most people think of the basic Salsa rhythm as QQS -- with the break on the 1.

Salsa movements in general are very rotational and fluid, unlike the sharp, angular directional changes seen in Mambo and other ballroom-style Latin dances. This makes leading more natural, as it requires less and/or fewer shifts of weight connection from push to pull or vice-versa.

That's not to say that there's no connection at all, but the Salsa connection has an entirely different feel. I've heard it described as a "tethered" connection, meaning that it's relatively loose when the rope has slack, but it tightens up as slack runs out. In other words, you'll typically get a pull connection at the full extension of a line or extended position, but it occurs naturally, and doesn't need to be manufactured by unnecessary arm tone.

In terms of the repertoire, yes, there are many movements that the two dances have in common... the basic action, the cross-body lead, etc. But there are definitely aspects of the repertoires of each that very much sets them apart. For example, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Salsa club in L.A. doing a crossover break. But Mambo wouldn't be Mambo if you didn't have at least a few crossover actions involved. Salsa moves are characterized by continuous spins & turns, numerous head loops, cross-hand connections and hand-to-body connections. The salsa repertoire is formed by social and nightclub dancers, and is therefore sexy and intimate. Mambo, in contrast, is typically more showy and technique-driven, and the syllabus reflects that.

All of these observations are generalizations. There is not one description I've given of one that cannot be applied to the other to some degree (other than no crossovers in Salsa, but even that might be different in other areas of the world for all I know). Mambo can certainly be fluid or sexy, and Salsa does throw in some interesting complicated weight connections now and again. Moreover, Mambo as danced at the ballroom competitions is slowly being influenced more and more by Salsa, so that the line between the two is much more blurred now than ever before. Still, my point remains that there are very distinct differences between the two styles, and you son't really understand them unless you take the time to study them both in depth.

Regards,
Jonathan Atkinson
Re: Mambo or Salsa?
Posted by mamboqueen
12/21/2004  5:34:00 PM
Good summation, Jonathan. I think I'll copy and save that post because I know the questions will get asked again.

And you're right, there are moves in salsa that I wouldn't do in mambo and vice versa. Salsa is more "clubby" and mambo is more "ballroom", in my opinion. And the connections are different as well, in fact, it took a little getting used to with some serious salsa leads - there wasn't much pressure at all...very light leads. Plus, there seems to be a lot more "improvisation" on unconnected moves.

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Posted by tangotime
6/30/2007  3:03:00 AM
3 qs and a hold ( a slow )??-- no its not-- that would be 5 beats in a bar !!!. If you danced on clave ( every tick ) that would be 5 weight changes, but I doubt that is what you mean
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