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How to get the "falling" under control?
Posted by ballroomlady
11/23/2006  3:48:00 PM
Hello everybody!
Today my partner and I tried hardly to follow anonymous's instructions - get the body physically out of balance - keep the hips with the upper body in a perfect vertical position. It was a great movement but there was one problem coming up. How do you catch your weight really smoothly on the landing foot and how do you get the speed under control?

Thanks for your help!
Re: How to get the "falling" under control?
Posted by Anonymous
11/23/2006  7:17:00 PM
"Today my partner and I tried hardly to follow anonymous's instructions - get the body physically out of balance - keep the hips with the upper body in a perfect vertical position. It was a great movement but there was one problem coming up. How do you catch your weight really smoothly on the landing foot and how do you get the speed under control?"

It is tricky, isn't it...

Some ideas:

Don't rise very high at first. The less you rise, the smaller your fall will be. Similarly, don't try to bend your knee that much as you do that part of the lowering.

With less rise and fall, you will have less energy in your dancing, and an easier time working out how to sustain the energy. Later on you can increase everything once you have it figured out.

But once the fall is under way, especially once the knee is bending, don't try to hold back. The backwars partner can pace this a little bit, but the forwards one really can't. To control it, carefully time when you start the fall so that you don't get to this point too early. And make sure you are prepared to run with the fall - take all of that energy and draw it out into a nice big action on the drive of the next figure. This energy you carry out of the fall may have you taking those resulting steps much larger than you ever have before, and that's exactly why you move that way - the energy from the fall is what gives you a huge and dramatic drive through the lowered part and into the next rise.

Some teachers also want to break the lowering into two parts while working on control. The first part would be lowering the foot rise - and only as an exercise you could even stop there. The knext part would be bending the standing knee and projecting the body forward. That second part is the one that has to go off balance. Whears the first part will have you off balance but between your feet, so you could always control by weighting your arriving foot sooner.

Re: How to get the "falling" under control?
Posted by Anonymous
11/23/2006  8:33:00 PM
Anonymous. Exactly which dance are you writting about. Is it the Waltz where we commences to rise at the end of one.
Or is it the Foxtrot where we rise at the end of one.
How would you go to a point of imbalance on the first step of the Waltz. A Change Step will do. Then a Turn. What about a side step. We have sway there to counter our bodies falling over the side.I think you will be looking a long time before you find a point of imbalance.
Exactly on which tape , or in any book is the word imbalance either spoken or written.
Anybody thinking of trying this imbalance thing. Are you staying on the supporting foot longer, and is your moving foot coming under your body to a balanced position. When going Backwards are you lowering the supporting heel only when the moving foot reaches a position under the body. It's in the technique book for all to see.
Re: How to get the "falling" under control?
Posted by ballroomlady
11/24/2006  12:06:00 AM
Thank you, anonymous 1. Yes, it is tricky but the results are wonderful as you can move much easier without "working" to hard. We are going to follow your advice this afternoon. One more question.... how is the perfect Tango walk (regarding the "imbalance")? We were taught, to stay "between" the feet. I am not longer sure, if this is really correct, because in this position it is almost impossible not to bend in the "hipline". And how do you get a good movement there without rising and lowering? I hope you know, what I mean (my mothertongue is not English, so some expressions might not be correct)
Re: How to get the "falling" under control?
Posted by phil.samways
11/24/2006  1:46:00 AM
I don't understand why we're making such a big deal of this 'imbalance' thing. Aren't we talking about something we do every day when we walk? Slightly adapted maybe, but the very same concepts.
I soften my moving leg as the moving foot lands - i don't keep my legs straight. And the moving foot 'collects' under my body as my weight passes over the standing foot. This is walking i'm talking about.
Re: How to get the "falling" under control?
Posted by ballroomlady
11/24/2006  2:28:00 AM
You are basically right. It is not a big deal when we walk, but when we dance, we release a lot of energy that we have to get under control somehow. The big deal is, that if you look at even quite good dancers (not the real champs) you see bended hiplines and hard work to "pull" the bodyweight over the landing foot rather than the bodyweight travelling itself through the landing foot. If you look at the couples at competitions you can see many times that the steps are too big and do not correspond with the movement of the body - that doesn't make it really easy. When you walk, you do not try to achieve any kind of body flight and you almost do not bend a knee. Especially when you are a woman on high heels you would rather keep your knees straight instead of releasing them.
Re: How to get the "falling" under control?
Posted by Rha
11/24/2006  2:50:00 AM
Phil,

There's something not quite right about 'Ballroom lady'. I think that she's another manifestation of anonymous's many multiple personalities. The writing style, tone and ideas seem too close to The Anonymous.

Rha
Re: How to get the "falling" under control?
Posted by ballroomlady
11/24/2006  3:17:00 AM
Hello Rha!

I am not a manifestation of anybody. It is just that I try to figure out some technical details to improve my dancing- and I try really hard to understand some things. Actually I am standing here at home and walk around the room with flat and high heels and try to find out what I am really doing when I walk. I am walking for so many years know and I did never think about it. Sorry, if the tone is not correct - I am a German girl and maybe not all expressions are as they should be
Re: How to get the "falling" under control?
Posted by Rha
11/24/2006  3:54:00 AM
Hi Ballroomlady,

Apologies then.

I would'nt worry too much about your English. You communicate better in English than many who use English as their first language.

I hand you over to Anonymous then. May Alex Moore be with you .

Best Wishes,
Rha

Re: How to get the "falling" under control?
Posted by ballroomlady
11/24/2006  4:08:00 AM
Thanks Rha!

You know, one really good dancer told me (in a private lesson), that I have no clue about techniques and that I do not know what I am doing - unfortunately he was right! But at the point I am standing now, I cannot improve my dancing without starting thinking about it and correcting some basics. This is why I've got so many questions and why I try to prove the answers I get instead of doing what the trainers want me to do without thinking.

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