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lock technique - slightly rightwards
Posted by interested
4/16/2009  8:47:00 PM
Another technical question.

RE the back lock part of the V6 - why is there not the "slightly rightwards" component that is used for all other back locks ?

I would appreciate your comments for my better understanding.
Re: lock technique - slightly rightwards
Posted by Iluv2Dance
4/19/2009  1:42:00 AM
Hi Interested,
If you are still searching for an answer to your query, may I suggest that you write some form of an answer, and I'm sure that you will get a response from some of the members. Give it a try.
Re: lock technique - slightly rightwards
Posted by interested
4/19/2009  5:43:00 AM
Well - there is some relevant information in Alex Brown's hand book, though I don't feel that it is explained particularly well. There it was framed in terms of whether the man was "turning up to" the lady or vice - versa, and the consequent effects for the required "track".

Re: lock technique - slightly rightwards
Posted by Telemark
4/19/2009  6:30:00 AM
If you think in terms of the V6 being a back lock & running finish, that happens to have the running finish turning to the L rather than the R, the 'track' issue falls nicely into place.
Re: lock technique - slightly rightwards
Posted by Three Wise Men
4/21/2009  3:21:00 PM
The V.Six in the International Style Quickstep takes the shape of a V. It starts either from a Spin Turn or after 1 2 3 of a Natural. Which finishes Backing Diagonal, as does the Spin Turn. ( Right Shoulder Leading ) They both come out facing Diagonal to the Wall for the Lockstep. Buy a Technique Book its all in the book.
Re: lock technique - slightly rightwards
Posted by gudway
4/27/2009  1:18:00 PM
The correct subnote is "Outward"
since "naturally" the tendency is
to lean inward when doing Locks.
Re: lock technique - slightly rightwards
Posted by Three Wise Men
4/27/2009  1:42:00 PM
Remember there is now Sway outwards or inwards on a Lock Step in the International Style Quickstep. On a Lock do exactly as the Technique Book says. Especially on that first step outside partner which must have CBMP on it. Then look at the ladies action on that same step NFR. Get a thorough understanding of what that entails. When the man does a back Lock Step he also has NFR on the first step and must pull the heel into the cross. All this information is on pages 66-67
All of the above could be after a Progressive Chasse.
Re: lock technique - slightly rightwards
Posted by SocialDancer
4/27/2009  2:21:00 PM
Thanks for all that information Three Wise Men, all in the style of an old friend on this site, but if you are going to refer to pages in a book it helps to specify which book!

Then, please read the original question and see if you can find the answer to that in a book.
Re: lock technique - slightly rightwards
Posted by Three Wise Men
4/27/2009  3:34:00 PM
Social Dancer. I think the original questioner not realizing that the V Six is not a Back Lock with a Running Finish which turns to the right after the Lock.
A V. Six after the Lock is a quarter turn to the left on 5-6 This is after a Spin Turn which finishes backing Diag. to Centre to start the V Six in line
Any move to the right side would completely destroy the movement
Alex Moore's book doesn't cover a V. Six. It does cover a Lockstep on pages 67 - 67.
I dont know what is taught were you are. We were always taught to do the V. Six on side two which is one of the short sides of a ballroom
Re: lock technique - slightly rightwards
Posted by SocialDancer
4/27/2009  5:05:00 PM
"Alex Moore's book doesn't cover a V. Six. It does cover a Lockstep on pages 67 - 67."

It seems you have the 9th edition. (Why didn't I know that already?!?!)

The V-6 appears in the 10th edition where Alex says "The V-six consists of a Back Lock commenced with lady in line moving diagonally centre, steps 2 and 3 of the Outside Change (See Waltz section), and a Forward Lock diagonally to wall."

In the step description, step 4 (after the LF crosses) is given as "RF back, R side still leading" He does not comment upon why this differs from a normal back lock (RF diag back), which was the basis of the original question, irrespective of which side of the room it is danced,

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