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Man lead for reverse turn?
Posted by calvindh
6/4/2009  2:03:00 PM
How should the man lead the reverse turn so that the women is not confuse it for a left turn that is part of a box?
Re: Man lead for reverse turn?
Posted by anymouse
6/4/2009  2:55:00 PM
"How should the man lead the reverse turn so that the women is not confuse it for a left turn that is part of a box?"

Since the left turn that is part of a box is one of the many varieties of reverse turn, you'll have to be specific about which two actions you want to make distinct.

What are the differences you hope to communicate? Different amount of turn? ending with the feet together or passing them? Heel turn vs. ordinary turn?

Each possible difference has its nuances to the lead.

Re: Man lead for reverse turn?
Posted by terence2
6/4/2009  11:33:00 PM
In most simple terms.. its alignment
Re: Man lead for reverse turn?
Posted by calvindh
6/5/2009  12:29:00 PM
I am trying to lead so we achieve a 3/8 turn as apposed to 1/4 turn for a normal box step. The feet do end together.

Terence, could you please explain further what you mean by alignment? Do you mean the direction in which we start (DC) as apposed to another line?
Re: Man lead for reverse turn?
Posted by anymouse
6/5/2009  12:59:00 PM
"I am trying to lead so we achieve a 3/8 turn as apposed to 1/4 turn for a normal box step. The feet do end together. "

For the 3/8 turn version make sure that the second step is still taken as a forwards action. The feet will turn to make it look sideways (to almost backwards) only after you have placed step 2 on the floor.

In the 1/4 turning version step two would actually be taken as a sideways action.

Re: Man lead for reverse turn?
Posted by calvindh
6/5/2009  3:12:00 PM
Great! I think I have it now. Thanks
Re: Man lead for reverse turn?
Posted by terence2
6/5/2009  11:27:00 PM
Work on Diagonal commencements..

D.C. for rev ( left ) and D.W. for Nat. ( right )

Simple reminder.. L foot turns you left .. R foot turns you right... BUT.. important to note.. the BODY initiates the turning action, as in CBM
Re: Man lead for reverse turn?
Posted by anymouse
6/6/2009  9:24:00 AM
"Work on Diagonal commencements..

D.C. for rev ( left ) and D.W. for Nat. ( right )"

While these are the most obviously useful alignments to commence the 3/8 turns in, they are also the starting alignment for many other figures with different amounts of turn - they in no way predict the amount of turn that will actually be lead, and it would be very unwise for a partner to get in the habit of assuming anything based on starting alignment.
Re: Man lead for reverse turn?
Posted by terence2
6/6/2009  10:42:00 PM
For the BEGINNER, these are paramount directions, as you know, for BASIC rotation in Waltz...and of course, the "amount " of turn would be explained.

His Q seemed to imply that he was unsure on WHICH foot to commence and in what direction





Re: Man lead for reverse turn?
Posted by anymouse
6/6/2009  10:55:00 PM
"For the BEGINNER, these are paramount directions, as you know, for BASIC rotation in Waltz...and of course, the "amount " of turn would be explained."

That was neither the question nor the criticism. Knowing the default alignments is useful, but it is not the answer to the question that was asked.

"His Q seemed to imply that he was unsure on WHICH foot to commence and in what direction"

That was not the question at all. The question was "How should the man lead the reverse turn so that the women is not confuse it for a left turn that is part of a box?" This was later clarified to being how to lead a 3/8 turn reverse vs. a 1/4 turn one.

As you know, both commence with the same foot, and quite possibly in the same alignment.

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